За помощь в разработке этой темы и оформление заказа на переписи по Гримм за 1834 и 1857гг. особая благодарность Viktor Bleichrot (viktor2)
ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО ПРОСМОТРИТЕ ПЕРВЫЙ ПОСТ И ВСЮ ТЕМУ, ПРЕЖДЕ ЧЕМ ЗАДАВАТЬ ВОПРОСЫ!!!
Уважаыемые участники, чьи предки родились и (или) жили в колонии Гримм!Предлагаю максимально восстановить пофамильную составляющую истории села. Поскольку большинство семейных пар создавались в рамках одного населенного пункта, есть большая вероятность того, что у нас найдутся точки пересечений. Также будет здорово, если сможем найти фото села, помимо тех, что общедоступны и фото его жителей. Для удобства работы и для новичков помещаю следующие ссылки:
В настоящее время в фонде нашей темы имеются следующие материалы по колонии Гримм:
Некоторыми из форумчан проработаны переписи 1897 года. Также некоторыми участниками активно изучается архивный материал в виде книг о рождении, смерти, браке и т.п.
Страница о селе Гримм на нашем сайте [url=http://wolgadeutsche.net/list/grimm_kolonie.htm]http://wolgadeutsche.net/list/grimm_kolonie.htm[/a]
Небольшой американский сайт о с. Гримм [url=http://www.webbitt.com/volga/grimm/]http://www.webbitt.com/volga/grimm/[/a]
Родословная семьи Майснер из Гримм [url=http://wolgadeutsche.net/lang/Saratows.htm#fam7.6]http://wolgadeutsche.net/lang/Saratows.htm#fam7.6[/a]
Родословная семьи Альбрандт из Гримм [url=http://three-arms-k.narod.ru/Albrandt.htm]http://three-arms-k.narod.ru/Albrandt.htm[/a]
Темы форума, где активно обсуждалось с. Гримм и его жители (в разработке)
Попробую зафиксировать переходы фамилий, о которых станет известно.
Согласно переписи 1834 года переехали из Гримм в другие колонии:
Gottfried Abich geb. 1803 in 1833 nach Schwab Christian Bürkheim geb. 1783 in 1831 nach Schwab Georg Adam Eberhardt geb. 1790 mit Sohn Johann Friedrich geb. 1813 in 1825 nach Galka Johann Jakob Fritzler geb. 1786 mit Sohn Heinrich geb. 1811 in 1824 nach Dreispitz Johann Jakob ? geb. 1808 in 1830 nach Kolb Johann Jakob Kerbel geb. 1798 in 1819 nach Basel Johann Christian Felde geb. 1808 in 1833 nach Franzosen Johann Heinrich Erdmann geb. 1787 mit Kindern Johann Friedrich geb. 1810 u. Heinrich Philipp geb. 1812 in 1830 nach Hummel Johann Jakob Erdmann geb.1800 in 1834 nach Laub Heinrich Kaltenberger geb. 1803 in 1824 nach Franzosen Konrad Worm geb. 1784 mit Sohn Karl Philipp Peter geb. 1813 in 1826 nach Kind Christoph Fischler geb. 1777 in 1822 nach Franzosen Friedrich Wendel Ditte(Tiede) geb. 1796 in 1828 nach Kraft Johann Heinrich Bleichroth geb. 1797 in 1822 nach Orlowskaja Ludwig Jerger geb. 1768 mit Sohn Georg Konrad geb. 1798 in 1821 nach Orlowskaja Johann Just Walter geb. 1800 in 1818 nach Fischer Jakob Glasser geb. 1768 in 1829 nach Huck Johann Friedrich Gleim geb. 1788 in 1834 nach Stephan Jakob Gleim geb. 1796 in 1830 nach Katharinenstadt Daniel Volmer geb. 1786 in 1834 nach Schilling
Переехали в Гримм из других колоний:
Johann Just Ebel geb. 1810 in 1833 aus Stephan oo Katharina Fritzler Johann Peter Gress (Kress) geb.1792 mit Familie in 1819 aus Kraft Andreas Ring geb.1809 in 1830 aus Dietel oo Katharina Barbara Eberhardt Johann Jakob Haas geb.1814 in 1833 aus Franzosen Johann Jakob Klein gest. 1832 mit Familie in 1832 aus Orlowskaja Friedrich Karg geb. 1786 mit Familie in 1826 aus Dreispitz
Cогласно переписи 1857 г. переехали из Гримм в другие колонии:
Kol. Brabander: Jakob Alexander Brester geb. 1814 mit 2 Kinder in 1854
Kol. №2: Georg Konrad Koch geb. 1806 mit 3 Kinder in 1852
Kol. Erlenbach:
Valentin Ramig geb. 1805 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Johann Georg Kimbel geb. 1784 mit Familie in 1852 Georg Peter Erdmann geb. 1834 in 1852 Daniel Fritzler geb. 1813 mit 5 Kinder in 1852 Heinrich Stohl geb. 1808 mit 5 Kinder in 1852 Heinrich Müller geb. 1810 mit 3 Kinder in 1852 Johannes Becker geb. 1794 mit Familie in 1852 Tobias Gillig geb. 1790 mit Familie in 1852 Johann Andreas geb. 1808 mit 5 Kinder in 1852 Kaspar Kimmel geb. 1808 mit 4 Kinder in 1852 Pilipp Asmus geb. 1825 mit Kind in 1852 Heinrich Rielke mit 5 Kinder in 1852 aus Shcherbakovka nach Erlenbach Johann Peter Schmidt mit 2 Kinder in 1852 aus Galka nach Erlenbach
Kol. Fischer: Friedrich Jakob Walter geb. 1797 mit Familie in 1856 Kol. Friedental Johann Andreas Klein geb. 1823 in 1857
Kol. Galka Johann Konrad Fritzler geb. 1809 mit Kind in 1855
Kol. Oberdorf Konrad Kimmel geb. 1790 mit Familie in 1852 Johann Konrad Fritzler geb. 1815 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Johann Jakob Kling geb. 1803 mit 5 Kinder in 1852 Philipp Jakob Kling geb. 1819 mit Kind in 1852 Georg Jakob Kerbel geb. 1798 Mit Familie in 1852 Heinrich Kaiser geb. 1817 mit 3 Kinder in 1852 Philipp Walter geb. 1790 mit Familie in 1852 Johannes Schmidt geb. 1823 mit Kind in 1852 Michael Fritzler geb. 1822 mit 3 Kinder in 1852 Wilhelm Asmus geb. 1809 mit 4 Kinder in 1852 Georg Konrad Asmus geb. 1802 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Johannes Wolf geb. 1811 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Philipp Stäle geb. 1795 mit Familie in 1852 Johann Adam Rudolph geb. 1815 mit Kind in 1852 Johann Jakob Wolf geb. 1818 mit Familie in 1852 Johann Georg Wittmann geb.1823 mit Familie in 1852 Johann Ludwig Weber geb. 1802 mit 4 Kinder in 1852 Johann Georg Stähle geb. 1804 mit 6 Kinder in1852 Heinrich Weber geb. 1807 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Georg Jakob Friesorger geb. 1819 mit Familie in 1852
Kol. Rosenberg: Heinrich Kaltenberger geb. 1817 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Heinrich Jakob Kaltenberger in 1852 Johann Peter Abich geb. 1776 mit Familie in 1852 Gottfried Zulauf geb. 1818 in 1852 Alexander Ramig geb. 1810 mit 4 Kinderin 1852 Johann Jakob Schäfer geb.1817 in 1852 Konrad Wittmann geb. 1808 mit 4 Kinder in 1852 Johann Valentin Felde geb. 1780 mit Familie in 1852 Wilhelm Lotz geb. 1810 mit Familie in 1852 Valentin Ramig geb. 1784 mit Familie in 1852 Johann Jakob Schneider geb. 1810 mit 2 Kinder in 1852 Georg Friedrich geb. 1808 mit 2 K. u. Johann Jakob geb 1814 Stähle mit Kind in 1852 Philipp Major geb. 1801 mit 3 K. in 1852 Heinrich Kisselmann geb. 1816 in 1852 Johaness Kraft geb. 1820 in 1852 Jakob Fritzler geb. 1814 mit Kind in 1852 Johann Lipp geb. 1808 mit 3 K. in 1852 Michael Stähle geb.1796 mit 3 k. in 1852 Michael Reizenstein geb. 1798 mit Fam. in 1852 Johann Jakob Erdmann geb. 1812 mit Fam. in 1852 David Wuckert geb. 1824 mit K. u. 2 Br. Konrad Reizenstein geb. 1802 mit 4 K. in 1852 Friedrich Ditte geb. 1801 mit Fam. in1852 Georg Konrad Major geb. 1797 mit 2 K. in 1852
Kol. Shcherbakovka: Konrad Meisner geb. 1809 mit 5 K. in 1852
Kol. Unterdorf:
Georg Jakob Kaltenberger geb. 1819 mit 2 K. u. Br.
1. Основали дочернюю колонию Wiesenmueller (Визенмиллер) следующие фамилии (написание отдельных фамилий требует уточнения) из колонии Гримм.
Drosch(Drot) Kraft Maus Schaefer Weber Zimmermann
Сама колония Визенмиллер была основана в 1860 г. Переселялись в течение нескольких лет. - Данные от И.Р.Плеве из темы [url=http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000018-000-0-0-1230890804]http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000018-000-0-0-1230890804[/a]
2.Основали дочернюю колонию Фриденфельд (Friedenfeld) она же Альт-Фриденфельд, Бирючье, Беручик следующие фамилии (написание отдельных фамилий требует уточнения) из колонии Гримм:
Batz Gillig Haas Kling Kober Maior Muth Schneider
Переселение в колонию проходило вколония поселена между 1855-67 гг. Данные от И.Р.Плеве из темы [url=http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000033-000-0-0-1231429934]http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000033-000-0-0-1231429934[/a] Данные о колонии Friedenfeld здесь: [url=http://www.wolgadeutsche.net/list/friedenfeld.htm]http://www.wolgadeutsche.net/list/friedenfeld.htm[/a]
3.Основали дочернюю колонию Гнаденфельд (Gnadenfeld) она же Ключи, Моор следующие фамилии (написание отдельных фамилий требует уточнения) из колонии Гримм:
Haas Heide
Колония основана в 1855 г. Данные от И.Р.Плеве из темы [url=http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000040-000-0-0-1231565415]http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000040-000-0-0-1231565415[/a] Данные о колонии Гнаденфельд здесь: [url=http://www.wolgadeutsche.net/list/gnadenfeld.htm]http://www.wolgadeutsche.net/list/gnadenfeld.htm[/a]
4.Основали дочернюю колонию Эрленбах (Erlenbach) следующие фамилии (написание отдельных фамилий требует уточнения) из колонии Гримм:
Данные от И.Р.Плеве из темы [url=http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000047-000-0-0-1231605289]http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000047-000-0-0-1231605289[/a]
5.Основали дочернюю колонию Розенберг (Rosenberg) она же Умет, Иловлинский умет следующие фамилии (написание отдельных фамилий требует уточнения) из колонии Гримм:
Abig Ditte – aus Grimm – in Dreispitz Erdmann Fritzler Kaltenberger Kisselmann Kraft Lipp Lotz Major Ramig Reizenstein Rupp Schäfer – aus Grimm - in Holstein Schneider Stehle Velte Wittmann Wuckert Zulauf
Переселение происходило между 1850-53 гг. Данные от И.Р.Плеве из темы [url=http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000051-000-0-0-1232191171]http://wolgadeutschen.borda.ru/?1-19-0-00000051-000-0-0-1232191171[/a]
Данные о колонии Розенберг здесь: [url=http://wolgadeutsche.net/list/rosenberg.htm]http://wolgadeutsche.net/list/rosenberg.htm[/a]
Отправлено: 31.12.08 07:43. Заголовок: Фамилия Зальцанн кон..
Фамилия Зальцанн конечно же есть в колонии Гримм. Я привел те фамилии, по которым на настоящее время можно проследить родословную с выходом на 20-е годы 20 века.
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Отправлено: 02.01.09 23:35. Заголовок: Вольф Александр Хрис..
Вольф Александр Христьянович 1911 года рождения,родился в селе Гримм
Johan Jacob Rau ( 3 Nov 1868 in Grimm) Alexander Rau ( 22 Oct 1873 in Grimm ) Henry Rau ( 1877 in Grimm)
Johan Jacob Rau ( 3 Nov 1868 in Grimm - 26 Sep 1951 in Portland, Or) + Anna Margaret Stahle ( 12 Oct 1871 in Grimm - 6 Apr 1953 in Salem, Or), geh. am 10 NOV 1892 in Grimm Kinder: Anna Margaret Rau (19 Oct 1893 in Grimm ) Johann Jacob Rau II ( 21 May 1897 in Grimm) Emilie Rau (22 Nov 1898 in Grimm) Helen Margaret Rau (28 Feb 1901 in Heppner, Or ) Alexander Rau (16 Apr 1902 in Portland, Or)
Alexander Rau ( 22 Oct 1873 in Grimm - 18 Mar 1943 in Bell Gardens, CA) + Anna Elizabet Schuppe (2 Jun 1873 in Grimm - 19 Dec 1934 in Loveland, CO) Kinder: Amelia Rau(29 Aug 1902 in Bremen, Germany) Alexander Rau (1903 in Portland, Or) Harry Rau (About. 1904 in Portland, Or ) Marie Rau ( 5 May 1906 in Portland, Or ) Agnes Rau (8 Nov 1907 in Portland, Or ) Victor Rauh ( 16 Jan 1910)
Henry Rau ( 1877 in Grimm) + Katie Unknown Kinder: Henry Rau II Anna Rau Ida Rau Fred Rau ( 8 Jan 1908 in Cincinnatti, Ohio)
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Отправлено: 17.01.09 12:54. Заголовок: 1. Johann Philipp Tr..
1. Johann Philipp Traudt (1809 in Grimm), geh. Anna Maria ( 1804 )
Children of Johann Philipp Traudt and Anna Maria (Unknown) are: Скрытый текст
+ 2 i. Johannes Traudt was born Abt 1831 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. 3 ii. Wilhelm Traudt was born Abt 1836 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. 4 iii. Georg Adam Traudt was born Abt 1838 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. 5 iv. Christian Jacob Traudt was born Abt 1841 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. 6 v. Anna Maria Traudt was born Abt 1844 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
2.Johannes Traudt (Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born Abt 1831 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. He married Anna Margaretha (Unknown). She was born Abt 1834 in Russia.
Children of Johannes Traudt and Anna Margaretha (Unknown) are: 7 i. Johann Jacob Traudt was born Abt 1853 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. + 8 ii. Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?) was born Abt 1854 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia, and died 1892 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 3
8.Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?) (Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born Abt 1854 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia, and died 1892 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia. She was buried in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia. She married Johann Friedrich (Fred) Buxman. He was born 15 Jul 1850 in Müller, , Russia.
Children of Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?) and Johann Friedrich (Fred) Buxman are: + 9 i. Peter Buxman was born Abt 1877 in Russia. + 10 ii. Mary (Minnie) Buxman was born 16 Jun 1882 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia, and died 24 Jun 1957 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 4
9.Peter Buxman (Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born Abt 1877 in Russia. He married Amalie Drott.
Child of Peter Buxman and Amalie Drott is: 11 i. Amalie Buxman was born 20 Oct 1913 in Wiesenmueller, Samara, Russia, was christened 10 Nov 1913 in Wiesenmueller, Samara, Russia.
10.Mary (Minnie) Buxman (Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born 16 Jun 1882 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia, and died 24 Jun 1957 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon. She was buried in Rose City Cemetery, Portland, , Oregon. She married Henry Vogel 28 Apr 1903 in Russia, son of Jacob Vogel and Charlotte Sommer. He was born 3 Dec 1883 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia, and died 13 Dec 1969 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon. He was buried in Rose City Cemetery, Portland, , Oregon.
Children of Mary (Minnie) Buxman and Henry Vogel are: + 12 i. Amelia Vogel was born 10 Feb 1904 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia, and died 30 Sep 1984. 13 ii. Henry Vogel was born 14 Dec 1907 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia, and died 10 Jan 1909 in Russell, , KS. + 14 iii. Emma Vogel was born 13 Nov 1909 in Russell, Russell co., Kansas. 15 iv. Mary Vogel was born 23 Nov 1911 in Russell, , KS, and died 1 Nov 1982. She married Fred Keil. + 16 v. Fred Vogel was born 17 Aug 1913 in Lincoln, Lancaster co., Nebraska, and died 11 Apr 1988 in Overland Park, Shawnee co., Kansas. 17 vi. Albert Vogel was born 26 Apr 1915 in Lincoln, Lancaster co., Nebraska. + 18 vii. Martha Vogel was born 22 Apr 1917, and died Oct 1992 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon. 19 viii. Molly Vogel was born 16 May 1919, and died 17 Nov 1951. She married Stuard Cronnoble. + 20 ix. Helene Elisabeth Vogel was born 26 Jul 1921 in Lincoln, Lancaster co., Nebraska, and died 27 Nov 1973 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 5
12.Amelia Vogel (Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born 10 Feb 1904 in Wiesenmüller, Samara, Russia, and died 30 Sep 1984. She married Walter Schwab.
Children of Amelia Vogel and Walter Schwab are: 21 i. Mary Schwab. 22 ii. Fred Schwab. 23 iii. Living Schwab. He married Living (Unknown).
14.Emma Vogel (Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born 13 Nov 1909 in Russell, Russell co., Kansas. She married John Haase.
Child of Emma Vogel and John Haase is: 24 i. Living Haase. He married Living (Unknown).
16.Fred Vogel (Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born 17 Aug 1913 in Lincoln, Lancaster co., Nebraska, and died 11 Apr 1988 in Overland Park, Shawnee co., Kansas. He married Margie (Unknown).
Children of Fred Vogel and Margie (Unknown) are: 25 i. Living Vogel. 26 ii. Living Vogel.
18.Martha Vogel (Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born 22 Apr 1917, and died Oct 1992 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon. She married Bernard Benson.
Child of Martha Vogel and Bernard Benson is: + 27 i. Living Benson.
20.Helene Elisabeth Vogel (Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1) was born 26 Jul 1921 in Lincoln, Lancaster co., Nebraska, and died 27 Nov 1973 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon. She was buried in Rose City Cemetery, Portland, , Oregon. She married Howard Elmer Meier 5 Sep 1942 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon, son of Karl Meier and Lydia Kelln. He was born 24 Nov 1919 in Broadwater, , Nebraska, and died 9 Feb 1994 in Portland, Multnomah, Oregon. He was buried in Rose City Cemetery, Portland, , Oregon.
Child of Helene Elisabeth Vogel and Howard Elmer Meier is: + 28 i. Living Meier.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 6
27.Living Benson (Martha Vogel5, Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1). She married Living Elder.
Children of Living Benson and Living Elder are: 29 i. Living Elder. 30 ii. Living Elder.
28.Living Meier (Helene Elisabeth Vogel5, Mary (Minnie) Buxman4, Katharina Elisabetha Trot (Traudt?)3, Johannes Traudt2, Johann Philipp Traudt1). She married Living Watters. She married Living Stefan.
Children of Living Meier and Living Watters are: 31 i. Living Watters. 32 ii. Living Watters.
1.Christopher ALBRANDT was born 28 Jun 1840 in Grimm, Russia. He married Christeina Elizabeth ERDMAN. She was born 4 Feb 1842 in Grimm, Russia.
Children of Christopher ALBRANDT and Christeina Elizabeth ERDMAN are: Скрытый текст
+ 2 i. Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT was born 18 Mar 1879 in Grimm, Russia, and died 30 Nov 1957 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado. 3 ii. Henry Phillip ALBRANDT was born 1 May 1867 in Grimm, Russia, and died 14 Oct 1936 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado. 4 iii. George ALBRANDT was born in Grimm, Russia. 5 iv. John ALBRANDT was born in Grimm, Russia. 6 v. Fredrick ALBRANDT was born 19 Jun 1884 in Grimm, Russia, and died 27 May 1927 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado. 7 vi. Jacob ALBRANDT was born in Grimm, Russia. 8 vii. Christeina ALBRANDT was born in Grimm, Russia.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
2.Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT (Christopher ALBRANDT1) was born 18 Mar 1879 in Grimm, Russia, and died 30 Nov 1957 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado. He married Marie ALBRANDT 4 Feb 1901 in Grimm, Russia, daughter of John ALBRANDT and Lena Charlotte MAJOR. She was born 7 Nov 1881 in Grimm, Russia, and died 4 Sep 1970 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado.
Children of Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT and Marie ALBRANDT are: + 9 i. Mary ALBRANDT was born 22 Jul 1901 in Grimm, Russia, and died Oct 1981 in Lead, Lawrence, South Dakota. 10 ii. Albert ALBRANDT was born 5 Jan 1917 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado, and died 16 Jul 1976 in Fremont, Alameda, California. He married Lillian Esther AMEN 11 Sep 1940 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado, daughter of Jacob Frank AMEN and Katherine Julia FRITZLER. She was born 3 Dec 1920 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado, and died 28 Oct 1958 in Denver, Denver, Colorado. 11 iii. Molly Mae ALBRANDT was born 14 Jan 1903 in Grimm, Russia, and died 21 Mar 1990 in Denver, Denver, Colorado. She married Gould Henry SHREINER. He was born 24 Jun 1901 in Hastings, Adams, Nebraska, and died 1942 in Wake Island. She married Thomas WHEELER. He was born 25 Dec 1905, and died Feb 1974 in Denver, Denver, Colorado. 12 iv. Lydia ALBRANDT was born 29 Apr 1906 in Grimm, Russia, and died 20 Feb 1996 in Denver, Denver, Colorado. She married Henry GELROTH. He was born 6 May 1904 in Bawer, Russia, and died 1990 in Denver, Denver, Colorado. 13 v. Paul ALBRANDT was born 8 Aug 1908 in Grimm, Russia, and died 18 Jul 1969 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado. He married Rachel AMEN 25 Dec 1930 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado, daughter of George AMEN and Marie Christine SCHUNTZ. She was born 20 Nov 1912 in Sedgewick, Sedgewick, Colorado, and died 30 Oct 1994 in Lake Havasu City, Mohave, Arizona. 14 vi. Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT was born 23 Aug 1910 in Grimm, Russia, and died 28 Mar 1959 in Denver, Denver, Colorado. He married Ida UNREIN. She was born 8 Feb 1908, and died 24 Jun 1994 in Texas. 15 vii. Freida ALBRANDT was born 28 Jul 1912 in Atwood, Colorado, and died 22 Nov 1964 in Wyoming. She married Henry SCHNEIDER. He was born 2 Feb 1908 in Grimm, Russia, and died 22 Nov 1964 in Wyoming.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 3
9.Mary ALBRANDT (Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT2, Christopher ALBRANDT1) was born 22 Jul 1901 in Grimm, Russia, and died Oct 1981 in Lead, Lawrence, South Dakota. She married George GEISNER 31 Mar 1920 in Sterling, Logan, Colorado. He was born 13 Aug 1895 in Schilling, Russia, and died 14 Feb 1973 in Lead, Lawrence, South Dakota.
Children of Mary ALBRANDT and George GEISNER are: + 16 i. Virginia Marie GEISNER was born 13 Aug 1922 in Padroni, Colorado, and died 22 Dec 1987 in Sun City West, Maricopa, Arizona. 17 ii. Minnie GEISNER was born 5 Mar 1921 in Padroni, Colorado, and died 10 Jul 1997 in South Dakota. 18 iii. Gladys GEISNER was born 17 Mar 1924 in Padroni, Colorado, and died 1948. 19 iv. Violet GEISNER was born 26 Jan 1926 in Padroni, Colorado. 20 v. Betty Lucille GEISNER was born 17 May 1928 in Belle Fourche, Butte, South Dakota, and died 10 Jun 1996 in Nisland, Butte, South Dakota.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 4
16.Virginia Marie GEISNER (Mary ALBRANDT3, Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT2, Christopher ALBRANDT1) was born 13 Aug 1922 in Padroni, Colorado, and died 22 Dec 1987 in Sun City West, Maricopa, Arizona. She married Donald Fredrick ENGLE 29 May 1941 in Omaha, Douglas, Nebraska, son of Fredrick ENGLE and Edith Gertrude STEWART. He was born 2 Jul 1917 in Papillion, Sarpy, Nebraska.
Children of Virginia Marie GEISNER and Donald Fredrick ENGLE are: 21 i. Living ENGLE. 22 ii. Living ENGLE. + 23 iii. Living ENGLE.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 5
23.Living ENGLE (Virginia Marie GEISNER4, Mary ALBRANDT3, Christopher Jacob ALBRANDT2, Christopher ALBRANDT1). He married Living JOHNSTON.
Child of Living ENGLE and Living JOHNSTON is: 24 i. Living ENGLE.
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Пост N: 1464
Отправлено: 17.01.09 13:00. Заголовок: 1.Christian Jacob Fe..
1.Christian Jacob Felte was born 12 Dec 1883, and died 14 Jan 1961. He married Amalia (Mollie) Schott. She was born 16 Aug 1882 in Lesnoy Karamysch (Grimm), Russia, and died 18 Jan 1981 in Eventide Nursing Home, Windsor, Weld County, Co.. She was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado.
Children of Christian Jacob Felte and Amalia (Mollie) Schott are: 2Скрытый текст
i. Jacob (Jack) Felte. + 3 ii. Lydia Felte was born 16 Feb 1909 in Lesnoy Karamysch (Grimm), Russia, and died 12 Aug 2002 in Hospice & Palliative Care Of N. Co., Greeley, Weld, CO. + 4 iii. Fred Felte was born 1 Sep 1910 in Lesnoy Karamysch (Grimm), Russia, and died 16 Dec 1994 in North Colorado Med. Ctr., Greeley, Weld Co., CO. + 5 iv. Mollie Felte was born 27 Jun 1912, and died 3 Jan 2002 in Hospice & Palliative Care Of N. Co., Greeley, Weld, CO. + 6 v. Carl Felte was born 28 Nov 1916 in Severance, , Colorado, and died 31 Mar 1980 in Weld Co. Gen. Hosp, Greeley, Weld, Colorado. + 7 vi. Freda Felte was born 22 Sep 1918 in Severance, , Colorado, and died 10 Jul 2006 in North Colorado Med. Ctr., Greeley, Weld Co., CO. 8 vii. Henry Felte was born 25 Oct 1920 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, and died 10 May 2004 in Windsor Health Care Center, Windsor, Weld, Co.. He married Ruth Frances Greenwalt. He married Evelyn Firestein. He married Irene Sauer. 9 viii. Alex Felte. 10 ix. Paul Felte.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
3.Lydia Felte (Christian Jacob Felte1) was born 16 Feb 1909 in Lesnoy Karamysch (Grimm), Russia, and died 12 Aug 2002 in Hospice & Palliative Care Of N. Co., Greeley, Weld, CO. She was buried in Sunset Memorial Gardens, Greeley, Weld Co., CO. She married William Wiedeman 23 Dec 1928 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, son of John Wiedeman and Eva Elisabeth Wunsch. He was born 11 Jun 1904 in Russia, and died 22 Dec 1991 in Kenton Manor, Greeley, Weld Co., Colorado. He was buried in Sunset Memorial Gardens, Greeley, Weld Co., CO.
Child of Lydia Felte and William Wiedeman is: 11 i. Living Wiedeman. He married Living Eisenach, daughter of Albert Eisenach.
4.Fred Felte (Christian Jacob Felte1) was born 1 Sep 1910 in Lesnoy Karamysch (Grimm), Russia, and died 16 Dec 1994 in North Colorado Med. Ctr., Greeley, Weld Co., CO. He was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado. He married Margery E. (Helen) Weber 9 Dec 1931 in Felte Family Farm In Severance, Weld Co., Colorado, daughter of Henry Jacob Weber and Catherine Margaret Lind. She was born 19 Mar 1913 in Nebraska, and died 6 Nov 1987 in Centennial Health Care Ctr., Greeley, Weld, Colorado. She was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado.
Children of Fred Felte and Margery E. (Helen) Weber are: + 12 i. Harold L. Felte. 13 ii. Living Felte. She married Living Brumley. 14 iii. Living Felte. She married Living Meech.
5.Mollie Felte (Christian Jacob Felte1) was born 27 Jun 1912, and died 3 Jan 2002 in Hospice & Palliative Care Of N. Co., Greeley, Weld, CO. She was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado. She married Henry Hergert 13 Feb 1930 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, son of Gottfried Hergert and Eva Feit. He was born 21 Nov 1906 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, and died 11 Apr 1961 in Greeley, Weld Co., CO. He was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado.
Children of Mollie Felte and Henry Hergert are: 15 i. Shirley Hergert. She married Clifford Polk. 16 ii. Living Hergert. 17 iii. Living Hergert. + 18 iv. Dean Hergert was born 7 Jun 1934 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, and died 24 Feb 1999.
6.Carl Felte (Christian Jacob Felte1) was born 28 Nov 1916 in Severance, , Colorado, and died 31 Mar 1980 in Weld Co. Gen. Hosp, Greeley, Weld, Colorado. He was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado. He married Elizabeth Lind 8 Feb 1939, daughter of Henry Lind and Elisabeth Frank. She was born 16 Mar 1919 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, and died 12 May 2006 in Greeley, Weld Co., Co.. She was buried in Lakeview Cemetery, Windsor, Weld, Colorado.
Children of Carl Felte and Elizabeth Lind are: 19 i. Living Felte. She married Living Robb. 20 ii. Living Felte. She married Living Lecuyer. 21 iii. Living Felte.
7.Freda Felte (Christian Jacob Felte1) was born 22 Sep 1918 in Severance, , Colorado, and died 10 Jul 2006 in North Colorado Med. Ctr., Greeley, Weld Co., CO. She was buried in Linn Grove Cemetery, Greeley, Weld Co., CO. She married Victor R. Klein. He died 8 Sep 1984.
Children of Freda Felte and Victor R. Klein are: + 22 i. Living Klein. 23 ii. Living Klein. 24 iii. Living Klein. He married Living (Unknown). 25 iv. Living Klein.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 3
12.Harold L. Felte (Fred Felte2, Christian Jacob Felte1). He married Living (Unknown).
Child of Harold L. Felte and Living (Unknown) is: 26 i. Lane Douglas Felte.
18.Dean Hergert (Mollie Felte2, Christian Jacob Felte1) was born 7 Jun 1934 in Windsor, Weld Co, Colorado, USA, and died 24 Feb 1999. He was buried in Longview Memorial Park, , , Washington. He married Living (Unknown).
Children of Dean Hergert and Living (Unknown) are: 27 i. Living Hergert. 28 ii. Living Hergert. She married Living Juneman. 29 iii. Living Hergert. She married Living Quesnell. 30 iv. Living Hergert.
22.Living Klein (Freda Felte2, Christian Jacob Felte1). She married Living Berryman.
Child of Living Klein and Living Berryman is: 31 i. Anne Kathleen Berryman
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Пост N: 1465
Отправлено: 17.01.09 13:02. Заголовок: 1.Christian Jacob Ma..
1.Christian Jacob Maus was born Abt 1803 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. He married Louisa Katharina (Unknown). She was born Abt 1804 in Russia.
Children of Christian Jacob Maus and Louisa Katharina (Unknown) are: + 2 i. Johannes Maus was born Abt 1832 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. 3 ii. Georg Jacob Maus was born Abt 1840 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. 4 iii. Johann Jacob Maus was born Abt 1842 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
2.Johannes Maus (Christian Jacob Maus1) was born Abt 1832 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia. He married Katharina Maria (Unknown). She was born Abt 1834 in Russia.
Child of Johannes Maus and Katharina Maria (Unknown) is: 5 i. Anna Katharina Maus was born Abt 1853 in Lesnoi Karamisch (Grimm), Russia.
Child of Michael Meisner and Elisabeth KNOWLES is: + 2 i. Peter Sr. Meisner was born in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, and died in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
2.Peter Sr. Meisner (Michael Meisner1) was born in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, and died in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia. He married Elisabeth (Betta) Erdman in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia. She was born in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, and died in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia.
Child of Peter Sr. Meisner and Elisabeth (Betta) Erdman is: + 3 i. Peter Meisner was born 1884 in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, and died OCT 1918 in Sterling,Colorado.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 3
3.Peter Meisner (Peter Sr. Meisner2, Michael Meisner1) was born 1884 in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, and died OCT 1918 in Sterling,Colorado. He married Amalia (Mollie) Fritzler 10 FEB 1909 in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, daughter of George Jacob Fritzler and Margaret Katherine Fritzler. She was born 1 JUL 1887 in Kratzke,German Volga,District,Russia, and died 22 APR 1982 in Sterling,Colorado.
Children of Peter Meisner and Amalia (Mollie) Fritzler are: + 4 i. Alexander Meisner was born 10 SEP 1914 in Sterling,Colorado, and died 27 DEC 1968 in Sterling,Colorado. 5 ii. Frieda Meisner was born 17 JUN 1911 in Grimm,German Volga,District,Russia, and died 26 JAN 1970 in Carmichael California. She married Everett Vernal Wilkins 30 SEP 1936 in Colusa California, son of Alva Nelson Wilkins and Jennie Mabel Thompson. He was born 21 MAR 1907 in Oberlin Kansas, and died 23 FEB 1962 in Marysville California.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 4
4.Alexander Meisner (Peter Meisner3, Peter Sr. Meisner2, Michael Meisner1) was born 10 SEP 1914 in Sterling,Colorado, and died 27 DEC 1968 in Sterling,Colorado. He married Living Fritzler, daughter of Edward Fritzler and Ann Elizabeth Ruppel.
Children of Alexander Meisner and Living Fritzler are: + 6 i. Living Meisner. 7 ii. Living Meisner. 8 iii. Living Meisner. 9 iv. Living Meisner. 10 v. Living Meisner.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 5
6.Living Meisner (Alexander Meisner4, Peter Meisner3, Peter Sr. Meisner2, Michael Meisner1). He married Living Flater, daughter of Alferd Monroe Flater and Living Grauberger.
Children of Living Meisner and Living Flater are: + 11 i. Living Meisner. 12 ii. Living Meisner.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 6
11.Living Meisner (Living Meisner5, Alexander Meisner4, Peter Meisner3, Peter Sr. Meisner2, Michael Meisner1). She married Living Weingardt.
Child of Living Meisner and Living Weingardt is: 13 i. Living Weingardt
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Пост N: 1467
Отправлено: 17.01.09 13:06. Заголовок: 1.Philip Knaub was b..
1.Philip Knaub was born in Kauz, German Volga, District, Russia.
Child of Philip Knaub is: + 2 i. John Tobias Knaub was born 10 NOV 1889 in Grimm, German Volga, District, Russia, and died NOV 1918 in Sterling, Colorado, USA.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
2.John Tobias Knaub (Philip Knaub1) was born 10 NOV 1889 in Grimm, German Volga, District, Russia, and died NOV 1918 in Sterling, Colorado, USA. He married Elizabeth Fritzler 1911 in Grimm, German Volga, District, Russia, daughter of George Jacob Fritzler and Margaret Katherine Fritzler. She was born 13 APR 1892 in German Volga, District, Russia, and died 15 MAR 1947 in Chicago, Illinois, USA.
Child of John Tobias Knaub and Elizabeth Fritzler is: 3 i. John Knaub was born 10 DEC 1912 in Sterling, Colorado, USA, and died 14 JAN 1974 in Sunset Memorial Gardens, Sterling, Colorado, USA.
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Пост N: 1468
Отправлено: 17.01.09 13:17. Заголовок: 1.Henry KIMMEL was b..
1.Henry KIMMEL was born 3 MAR 1879 in Grimm,Russia, and died 13 MAR 1958. He married Katherine FIEBIG, daughter of Henry FIEBIG and Marie Katherine. She was born Скрытый текст
14 NOV 1881 in Grimm,Russia, and died 3 APR 1968.
Children of Henry KIMMEL and Katherine FIEBIG are: + 2 i. Elizabeth KIMMEL was born 11 NOV 1909 in Grimm Russia, and died 16 OCT 1988 in Fond du Lac,WI. 3 ii. Anna KIMMEL was born 11 NOV 1913 in Wisconsin, and died 30 JUN 1924 in Fond du Lac,WI.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 2
2.Elizabeth KIMMEL (Henry KIMMEL1) was born 11 NOV 1909 in Grimm Russia, and died 16 OCT 1988 in Fond du Lac,WI. She was buried 19 OCT 1988 in Fond du Lac,WI (St Charles Cemetary). She married Alexander KREISMAN, son of Joseph KREISMAN and Katherine WEISBECK. He was born 28 FEB 1906 in Kansas City,KS, and died 30 SEP 1997 in Fond du Lac,WI. She married MEISNER.
Children of Elizabeth KIMMEL and Alexander KREISMAN are: + 4 i. Living KREISMAN. + 5 ii. Living KREISMAN. 6 iii. Living KREISMAN. She married Living LEHR. She married Living RUMLOW. + 7 iv. Alexander Robert KREISMAN was born 2 JUL 1944 in Milwaukee,WI, and died 19 APR 1976 in Sommers Point,NJ.
Children of Elizabeth KIMMEL and MEISNER are: 8 i. Gloria MEISNER. + 9 ii. John MEISNER was born 22 JUL 1931, and died in Riverside,CA. 10 iii. Living MEISNER.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 3
4.Living KREISMAN (Elizabeth KIMMEL2, Henry KIMMEL1). She married Living WEISS, son of Melvin WEISS and Virginia REAMS.
Child of Living KREISMAN and Living WEISS is: 11 i. Living WEISS. She married Living CAMPBELL.
5. Living KREISMAN (Elizabeth KIMMEL2, Henry KIMMEL1). She married Living PETTIT.
Child of Living KREISMAN and Living PETTIT is: 12 i. Living PETTIT.
7.Alexander Robert KREISMAN (Elizabeth KIMMEL2, Henry KIMMEL1) was born 2 JUL 1944 in Milwaukee,WI, and died 19 APR 1976 in Sommers Point,NJ. He was buried 22 APR 1976 in Seaside Cemetary,Palermo,NJ. He married Living.
Children of Alexander Robert KREISMAN and Living are: 13 i. Living KREISMAN. 14 ii. Living KREISMAN. 15 iii. Living KREISMAN. He married Living BOOTH, daughter of Living BOOTH and Living BOOTH.
9.John MEISNER (Elizabeth KIMMEL2, Henry KIMMEL1) was born 22 JUL 1931, and died in Riverside,CA.
Children of John MEISNER are: 16 i. Living MEISNER. She married Living MARSHALL. + 17 ii. Living MEISNER. + 18 iii. Living MEISNER.
Descendant Register, Generation No. 4
17.Living MEISNER (John MEISNER3, Elizabeth KIMMEL2, Henry KIMMEL1). She married Living ASHLIMAN.
Children of Living MEISNER and Living ASHLIMAN are: 19 i. Living ASHLIMAN. 20 ii. Living ASHLIMAN. 21 iii. Living ASHLIMAN. 22 iv. Living ASHLIMAN.
18.Living MEISNER (John MEISNER3, Elizabeth KIMMEL2, Henry KIMMEL1). She married Living STEWARD. She married Living GLISSON. She married Living BROWN.
Child of Living MEISNER and Living STEWARD is: 23 i. Living STEWARD.
Child of Living MEISNER and Living BROWN is: 24 i. Living BROWN.
Здравствуйте!!! Извините но фамилия Евы не Шпехт а Шотт по мужу и жила последнее время в Куйбышеве а Екатерина по мужу Шультайс и жила вместе с Лидией в г. Ачинске а Анна по мужу Вебер.Из каких Колоний их мужья никто не знает. А Александра я нашла в списках репрессированных.Может теперь посмотрите в списках и ещё раз извините за неправильную фамилию что я Вам дала.
Эрна, по этим персонам информации я не встречал. Правда замечу, что Шот - одна из тех фамилий, которая у меня в прямом родстве и я spzk на заметку Вашу Еву Шот. Если что найду по ней - сообщу.
По поводу Шультес я знаю только об одной персоне - Fr.Catharina Margaretha Schultheis, 31.07.1861. Другой информации у меня нет, этой фамилией я не занимался.
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Пост N: 23
Отправлено: 05.02.09 15:46. Заголовок: Альбрандт
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Спасибо за представленный материал, без труда нашлось вот так сразу много... Моя бабушка, Альбрандт Катарина Филипповна (в замужестве Отт), родилась в колонии Гримм в 1890-91 (?) году. На сайте, в моём семейном альбоме ( А.Беллер), есть фотография, где Катарина, её муж и двое детей-первенцев. На этом же снимке мать Катарины (имя неизвестно) и младшая сестра Мария (?), эммигрировавшая позже в Юж.Америку. Изучив предлагаемый материал, поняла, что своих там не нахожу. Помогите это объяснить. Заранее благодарна.
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Пост N: 1545
Отправлено: 05.02.09 18:53. Заголовок: Andreas Albrandt, b ..
Andreas Albrandt, b 1741/1742 (Germany). He 1m unk. They have 6 known ch:
i Anna Maria Albrandt, 1761/1762-?. ii Anna Katharina Albrandt "Katharina", 1764/1765-?. iii Heinrich Albrandt, 1765/1767-?. iv Johann Andreas Albrandt "Andreas", b 1769/1770 Grimm Russia. He m Anna Barbara Brungard, dau of Wilhelm Brungard & Anna Maria Hess. She b c1778 Grimm Russia. v Elisabeth Margaretha Albrandt, b c1770 /1771 Grimm Russia. vi Johann Heinrich Albrandt "Heinrich", 1769/1773-?.
He 2m Maria Katharina Schiketanz?. She b c1746 (Germany). They have 10 known ch:
i Johann Philipp Albrandt, b c1776 Grimm Russia. ii Margaretha Elisabeth Albrandt, b c1778 Grimm Russia. iii Margaretha Albrandt, b c1780 Grimm Russia. iv Johann Konrad Albrandt, b c1781 Grimm Russia. v Heinrich Adolph Albrandt, b c1783 Grimm Russia. vi Johannes Albrandt, b c1787 Grimm Russia. vii Katharina Albrandt, b c1789 Grimm Russia. viii Johann Heinrich Albrandt, b c1793 Grimm Russia. ix Louisa Gertrude Albrandt, b c1795 Grimm Russia. x Elisabeth Margaretha Albrandt, b c1796 Grimm Russia.
Спасибо за представленный материал, без труда нашлось вот так сразу много... Моя бабушка, Альбрандт Катарина Филипповна (в замужестве Отт), родилась в колонии Гримм в 1890-91 (?) году. На сайте, в моём семейном альбоме ( А.Беллер), есть фотография, где Катарина, её муж и двое детей-первенцев. На этом же снимке мать Катарины (имя неизвестно) и младшая сестра Мария (?), эммигрировавшая позже в Юж.Америку. Изучив предлагаемый материал, поняла, что своих там не нахожу. Помогите это объяснить. Заранее благодарна.
Если Вы о материалах об Альбрандт, указанных в этой теме, то тут все может быть просто. Каждый, кто собирает информацию сосредотачивается на своей семье, а то, что не касается прямого родства - может упустить. Поэтому сведения о Вашей Катарине Филипповне могли выпасть. Могли выпасть и по разным другим причинам. Если год ее рождения действительно 1890-1891, если ее отец действительно Филлип Альбрандт, то среди вероятных кандидатов эти:
I. 3198. Филипп Альбрандт, 1859 г.р., жена 3199. Катарина Елизавета, 1861 г.р., II. 3204. Иоганн Якоб, 1884 г.р.; 3205. Карл, 1892 г.р., 3206. Елизавета, 1893 г.р., 3207. Филипп, 1897 г.р.; Но, здесь дан исчерпывающий список детей, насколько я знаю и нет ни Катарины, ни Марии.
3165. Филипп Якоб, 1869 г.р., его жена 3166. Катарина, 1872 г.р., III. 3168. Мария, 1897 г.р.;
Это самый подходящий вариант. Здесь Вам и отец Филипп, и мать Катарина (больше шансов, что дочь так назвали), и годы жизни подходящие, и Мария как сестра. Кстати, она младше Вашей Катарины так и получается. Однако почему не указана Катарина, я не знаю.
Был еще3124. Филипп Якоб, 1875 г.р., его жена 3125. Барбара, III. 3146. Филипп Якоб, 1896 г.р.; Но это точно не Ваши, так как отцом Вашей Катарины он должен стать уже в 16 лет, что маловероятно.
Еще замечу, что имя Мария у Альбрандтов достаточно редкое, так что многое говорит в пользу второго варианта. Тем не менее надо уточнять. Возможно есть еще Филипп, о котором мы не знаем.
Bella
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Отправлено: 06.02.09 10:53. Заголовок: Альбрандт
hilfe1 Спасибо за участие. Сестра моей бабушки, по рассказам мамы, выехала в Юж. Америку. В трудные для семьи времена посылки, присланные оттуда, спасали жизнь. Мария (имя никто твёрдо не помнит) уехала в Америку бубучи незамужней девицей.
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Пост N: 25
Отправлено: 06.02.09 11:06. Заголовок: Альбрандт
russ28 Наверное вы правы. Есть ещё одно уточнение: семья Альбрандт перебралась из Гримма в Энгельс, в каком году - неизвестно, скорее всего в начале прошлого века. Выйдя замуж за Якова Каспаровича Отт (он был из Бальцера?), семья перехала в Красный Яр, где в 1933 году Катарина Филипповна умерла.
russ28 Наверное вы правы. Есть ещё одно уточнение: семья Альбрандт перебралась из Гримма в Энгельс, в каком году - неизвестно, скорее всего в начале прошлого века. Выйдя замуж за Якова Каспаровича Отт (он был из Бальцера?), семья перехала в Красный Яр, где в 1933 году Катарина Филипповна умерла.
По этому периоду данных о переездах нет, да и не так уж это поможет Вашим поискам, если она одна туда уехала, без родителей. По поводу моей правоты, не спешите принимать за данность. Надо еще поискать. Альбрандтов в Гримм было очень много.
Этот вариант выглядит достоверно, но если получить церковную запись по этой семье, можно до конца его проверить. Если там не будет Катарины, значит надо искать другого Филиппа.
russ28 Александр, Вы подали хороший пример упорядочения информации, которым стоит воспользоваться при структурировании материалов по другим колониям. Victor
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